By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.
As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.
That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.
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From Wikipedia:
“A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment.”
I’d say it tracks.
America has been doing this for decades. Look at Guantanamo Bay. We used the excuse of terrorism then and now we’re using the excuse of boarder security. As long as people can be controlled by their greed
ofor fear then this will continue to happen.Edit: autocorrect…
Also look at FDRs concentration camps for Japanese Americans. This shit is a time honored tradition in this country.
America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.
El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn’t get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of “but they had due process!!!1!”
By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.
Specifically, extermination camps are industrialized human suffering. Something like an assembly line that builds cars, except the output is death.
All that said, splitting hairs about the definition of this stuff is not a good place to be.
We invented concentration camps in the US to deal with Chinese and Native American “undesirables,” back in the mid 1800s. This is just the third time, at least, we have started using them. We only pretend to be better than the Nazis because we didn’t have the idea to use them as mass murder camps, just slow death camps.
You forget 120,000 people of Japanese descent during WW2. And the Biden ICE camps.
And how about Guantanamo for some added gruesome torture?
The one that Obama definitely and immediately was going to close when elected.
And it would’ve been no problem since the US used Polish black sites and other vasal places to do it.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with concentration camps for the extermination and removal of the Native Americans
Hey! You skipped the civil war concentration camps on both sides, how dare you.
I’ve always thought it was hypocritical of Americans to be calling Nazis the worst. We literally enslaved a group of people for hundreds of years, bred and slaughtered them at our whim. Had concentration camps, and more. We’re not better, and probably worse. We just had good propaganda.
Eh, I wouldn’t say Americans reached the level of industrialized genocide Nazi Germany achieved but we definitely had and still have plenty of blood on our hands.
I’m not sure I’d agree, though maybe you’re correct because it wasn’t industrial. We put bounties on bison skulls though to encourage them being slaughtered because we new native populations relied on them, for example. It was brutal and systematic. Sure, we didn’t use industrial means to actually kill them, but I don’t think that makes it better or worse, only different.
I am quite surprised on the lack of knowledge about El Salvador. I would expect this from other platforms, but not here.
Please get informed before comparing this system to a concentration camp. Now if the administration of the United States wants to use El Salvador’s system to push their agenda, you should continue to blame the United States and not El Salvador.
Before Bukele, El Salvador had a level of corruption and violence completely out of proportion. There were so many different approaches made to eradicate the complex issue and none of them worked. If you have a group of people that are terrorizing the population, you cannot be diplomatic if the approach. Bukele turned his country around overnight.
They are concentration camps whether you agree with them or not. Sounds like you are into them though so that’s weird.
Ok, so what do you think is the solution to the problem that El Salvador was facing?
Let’s say what they did was the only way. Why are our immigrants and others now being sent to forever prison there without due process? These are two separate issues.
You are spot on! Why are people being sent to a prison outside of the country without any trial or due process? That is to say that the United States and its administration is at fault not El Salvador.
How is the Salvador, 1/4 the size of South Carolina, supposed to stand up to a command from the United States? Think about that. You have to realize how much influence and power the United States has had over the rest of the continent, they have played this game for decades.
I am sure if the United States says we need them back, El Salvador will release them no questions asked. We cannot sit here and blame the people on the other side when the ones in the same turf are calling the shots.
The stated purpose of CECOT is to put people in violently cramped, close confinement with each other until they die.
It is a deathcamp.
One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.
Are they intentionally seeking people like that?
yes, they are explicitly going after people with tattoos https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ice-list-venezuelan-immigrants-gang-members-1235306641/
This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
Not just American deportees…
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Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?
They would have to be pretty fresh in photos. They take at least 2 weeks to heal
It doesn’t have to be real tattoos or even really on them if they can Photoshop them in.
But shaved heads for sure and you can see many of them have a 5 o-clock head shadow, meaning that they don’t shave often in real life.
How is this all going so fast, tho? Didn’t it take the nazis a few years to get to this point?
No, Dachau concentration camp was started in March 1933, just a few months after Hitler took power.
The El Salvador facility was already built in 2022 during Pres. Bukele’s national crackdown on gang violence. Since it was only running at half capacity (and to ingratiate himself with Trump most likely), Bukele has offered to incarcerate deported gang members there, especially those who were refused by their home countries.
Are they already building ovens?
This might be a pile of bodies.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/people-spot-mystery-mound-world-200306315.html
ICE detention centers in the USA count as concentration camps as do American Indian reservations, too, but yes we now have our own concentration camps out-of-country like the CIA black sites for illegal rendition or the NAZIs in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Belarus and the “secure hamlet” programs carried out by our Vietnam vets, for examples.
CECOT is the American gulag
Would you let your daughter date one of these men?
I know I wouldn’t let her date You.
I didn’t know the criteria for not being placed in a concentration camp was whether or not I’d approve of them dating my hypothetical daughter.
Sorry mate, that rules you out - good luck at CECOT.
Fascist, racist ICE agents illegally abducting people and sending them to concentration camps? Hell no I wouldn’t allow her to date one of them.
It’s a very honest article.
It’s hard to know how to respond, however. The problem is religion. And believe it or not, compassion and the existence of trans people is the key that has allowed the psychopathic class to gain power.
Many religious types see empathy as a threat to their religious beliefs, which are all innately fake. All people who are kind and empathetic and understand science want to be kind to people who are trans, and for religious people, this threatens the core of their belief system. In the beginning, the Unicorn Sky Man created Adam and Even, not Adam Eve and THEM. So if some people are intersex, and some people look male but feel female, or look female and feel male, it exposes the lies of their religious myths and suddenly makes the bullshit at the CORE of their cult very clear.
These religious people can’t admit their beliefs are based on lies, can’t admitted they were tricked into believing bullshit, and so they will cling to ANYTHING that supports their delusional moron cult instead of providing empathy to people who are different.
Suddenly, in come the psychopaths who don’t give a fuck about anyone, knowing full well they can exploit this situation for more power and money. And sadly they have taken this large core of religious delusional idiots, which makes up about 65% of the country, and they are appealing directly to them: “We will support your religious delusions by hating trans people + we have some other ideas.” And the 65% universally voted for it.
The other ideas are all psychopathic ideas to enrich and empower this psychopathic class, which the 65% don’t understand because let’s face it they are all idiots who mostly don’t understand science which is why they believe in religious bullshit, and now the psychopathic class are trying to use subterfuge and obfuscation to hide the fact that the “other ideas” are going to fuck over everyone in order to consolidate power and wealth.
So previously, most cruel movements stopped because of religion: slavery stopped because white women started feeling the hypocrisy of claiming to be Christian while being cruel to black people who seemed similar to themselves, with this similarity in part because white men had been raping black women. The Holocaust stopped because there was a disabled president who felt it was immoral to kill people who were different, backed up by a public who believed Jewish people were part of their religious foundation.
So now, it’s different: the others are people that the 65% can’t relate to with tattoos who are either ethnically different and not linked to their religious beliefs or are trans people who they simply choose to believe are mentally ill because if trans people aren’t mentally ill, it means their religion is based on lies. The psychopaths who have come into power innately understand this. I do not believe for one moment that Trump Vance and their ilk at the top really believe all this religious bullshit. They understand it and they use it.
This 65 percent is a dangerous monstrosity that is destroying the country with their stupid religious beliefs. But there’s really no winning in this situation. The 65 percent cannot become “woke” because they are idiots. Would you wake up a camel or wake up a pig? Can you enlighten a rat or a turkey? No, these people will always be idiots, they are a dangerous amorphous blob of idiocy and if you try to wake them up they will cling to their bibles, truck nuts, and beer while yelling about trans people.
What is also happening is the world is currently being environmentally destroyed. At the risk of sounding crazy, but who gives a fuck because it’s lemmy, we are also dealing with a strange presence that lives in our oceans with advanced technology and flying crafts. They have bases and can alter time, according to some, unless this is all a lie. We don’t know why they are there, we don’t know if this planet is just being farmed, or if they have always been there, waiting like cicadas to feast on all of us once become plentiful enough during some orgiastic 10000 year feast, and no one fucking discusses this bizarre situation or why they are there. The military claims they don’t know. We also do not know if those beings have somehow infiltrated leadership. Our leaders are not tested for loyalty publicly. For all we know, every single major player in the US right now could be compromised. This may not even be a psychopathic class. This may be Russian compromise at best. We simply do not know who in our leaders is loyal because any adversary of the US can see this “hack” is fairly simple: appeal to the delusional bullshit of religious people by hating trans people and you can own the country, because decent politicians aren’t idiots and know that intersex people and people with different gender identities exist. But 65% of the country is actually that fucking stupid.
And so this evil happens, with people being sent to a Latino Holocaust, and there’s really no way to fight it because they control 65% of the public through a hack. There can be no religious awakening of these morons now because any consciousness, any awareness or decency or empathy means acknowledging trans people and that means acknowledging their religion is a heaping pile of lies, which it’s always been.
The psychopathic class, or possibly a controlled class, that has gotten into power also knows the conundrum that decent leaders feel: if you are a decent leader, do you stop fighting for basic normal rights for trans people to try to get some of the 65% back, thereby ensuring some trans people will feel marginalized and literally die as a result through deaths of despair, or do you refuse to morally compromise, ensuring doom? Eventually, more accepting young people are going to start voting, so this problem will eventually go away in 20 years, but the cruelty and exploitation and viciousness is all happening right now. So what can be done right now?
I’m not sure if there’s anything that can be done. I don’t see a solution. I am not sure organization will do anything, protests will do anything, the math just isn’t on the side of decent people. Does anyone think there is a solution to this problem that doesn’t involve waiting 20 years?
The first half of this was great. Then you descended into tomfoolery.
The “tomfoolery” is documented and there have been congressional hearings on it. My point is that we have no proof that everyone in power is not a Russian agent, or worse, and this hack would allow any adversary who sees the exploit to gain control.
There was a time when covid first spread right next to a literal covid laboratory and the media said it was from bats and scientists said they had done genetic testing prooving it came from bats. At the time, even saying that it was possibly more likely that covid came from the covid laboratory was “misinformation” and a “conspiracy” that would get people banned from social media. People like you were the ones who would either laugh or gasp when people suggested covid came from a covid biolab back then. There are numerous public reports documenting unusual crafts decending into the ocean. I am sorry you are too scared or culturally constrained to acknowledge something is happening: either people in the military are lying or it’s real. Either way, it’s not something wise to ignore and you, sir, are the fool, with a name like heliumfart the clown wig on top.
The fact that the 65 percent can be easily controlled through this hack and we can’t be sure if the ruling administration is even loyal to US interests or to something else is part of the problem.
This does seem to be a concentration camp, many people fear what will happen to LGBT people next especially transgender people, and there have already undoubtedly been deaths of depair for transgender people as a result of this.
If you have a better analysis or resolution, please, please write it, suggest options that people who are against extreme cruelty for people who are different can undertake. Because I don’t see how. Much like a parasite is able to get an ant to stand on a leaf, you can literally steal the farms and insurance from the 65 percent as long as you bash trans people affirming the illogical religious beliefs of the 65 percent. You can literally open up a concentration camp in the name of jesus and visit the pope after pretending to believe in kindness if you control the 65 percent by bashing trans people. It is an easy hack: the cognitive dissonance of the 65 percent is incredible and if you can help them not feel that tension regarding the lies at the core of their belief system, you capture that whole voting block regardless of what else you do.
The fact that there may be underwater basis with something down there, or that many military personnel are lying about this, should be a fucking concern, and if you think that’s foolery you’re not thinking clearly. We don’t know if this means another nation, we don’t know if this is a culture from a different planet or a culture that is just advanced and lives in the ocean, we don’t know if it’s some sort of interdimensional consciousness or intelligence. The government in the USA has also lied to people in the US before so we can’t be sure the information they are providing is accurate. We also simultaneously have people in power that are behaving in unusual ways that suggest a possible alignment with Russia and that may be due to mutual beliefs or it may be due to payments. We do not know.
When there is suddenly inexplicably a concentration camp that the US is sending people to, the fact that we do have to second-guess the loyalty of those in power is an important part of this. Although Republicans have often been greedy and selfish, ideological differences were also part of the equation at one point. Now, I am not sure if this is just about ideology.
With the biosphere likely to eventually collapse at the rate the world is going, Republicans either think that they will amass enough wealth that in a neo-feudal hot planet they will be able to survive or they really are so stupid they aren’t thinking at all.
All of these things still don’t solve the problem. The state the US is in is much like if you are using Qubes and suddenly you see your mouse open up a terminal in dom0 and someone type “I have access now.” The USA has been compromised by this transgender-religiousidiocy hack of 65 percent and there is now a rootkit. Someone has control and it’s not even clear who has control nor how to disinfect the system.
I’d be fascinated to hear what the fuck you think is so illogical about what I posted?
It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.
My recommendation. Operation El Salvadorian Freedom after this orange turd is gone
America doesn’t exactly have a great track record when overthrowing central american governments…
Yeah can we not do that anymore. The fuck was/is wrong with these ppl? Let’s support actual democracy in those countries instead.
What, so bomb the fuck out of a bunch of civilians, spend a few hundred billion, and go home a couple years later leaving a power vacuum and acting confused about why you went there in the first place?
