I tried it on my car but it doesn’t turn on anymore. Deceiving news
Sounds like a 4chan prank, but… 🪦
This turns everyone else on, though.
Oh boy! Idiot TikTok kids is going to start microwaving devices.
didn’t 4chan do that once?
4chan did everything once
Not meth
You sure about that?
This is giving me racist dog-whistle vibes.
TIL ADHD is either a “race”, or the diagnosis is “racist.”
Fuck off, troll.
Its actually the “went to church, talented white folk there”, posted by “fren”, somehow they learned random old dude was “88” which has no bearing on the story and isn’t usually something that comes up in short conversations, and the “I was like <common behavior from easily influenced person> before I did these things”
It gives recruitment/fishing vibes to me. If 100 people read it and 99 see ADHD and move on, but 1 person asks them how they could also feel good about themselves, boom, one more Nazi recruit. That’s how dog whistles work. You toss an innocuous thing like “88” in your story, it let’s those in the know that you’re part of the team and you’re on the job.
Who is this “4chan”?
do we even know?
This title is pretty bad, the paper focus is in designing new battery technologies not magically restoring capacity on the batteries we have today.
Is the paper in the article? I couldn’t find it.
Would you be so kind as to link us?
it is this one: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08765-x
Yes but how can shareholders profit from this??
By making battery renewing devices.
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Thanks, I just threw up a little bit
By not switching to Na based batteries and keeping a lid on Li mining.
Even BYD is betting on Na tho.
Sure. But we need to see pics, or it didn’t happen.
The abstract doesn’t mention them re-gaining their old capacity. It only says they shrink. And something about voltage. So I have my doubts. I mean it’s nice if my spicy pillow shrinks a bit. But what does that help if it continues to stay nearly dead? And an application in products would be hard to accomplish. At that temperature, all the plastic etc is going to melt. Maybe the solder as well.
Yes. If you aren’t reading any battery tech article with a huge amount of skepticism you are doing it wrong. More than any other tech sector I can think of, battery research is just absolutely plagued with low quality research that consistently gets picked up by media outlets.
Important note near the end of the article - they aren’t saying we should cook batteries really -
“The team’s hypothesis is that the structural disorder developing inside LIBs may become a “tunable parameter” that, if tweaked using chargers at precise voltages to alter said battery composition, could be used to rejuvenate the batteries in our tech without fires.”
This is a good old idea that goes back to the days of desulfating lead batteries with powerful shocks of high-amperage current. Might just need a special Healing Charger that applies the right voltage/current to dissolve the bad crystals in lithium-ion systems
With electric cars you might not even need a special charger so much as a special charging cycle. Its already the norm for cars to tell the charger what voltage and current they want, and its already the norm for cars to carefully control their battery’s temperature during charging.
That’s not to say you’d necessarily be able to do this with just a software update, but its not too far off from the current paradigm.
Yeah that’s a good point. Ours uses the same refrigerant system as the AC to cool the battery, and the actual “charger” for the battery is inside the car being controlled by its software etc. The cables that plug in on the outside are technically just power wires, with the charging brains inside the car. That would be amazing if they could update the software to rejuvenate the battery once a year or something.
it would almost certainly need to be done at a fast charger, not at home unless it could do only a few cells at a time. Remember the golden rule: “Don’t set the house on fire by overloading the wiring”.
Is this before or after they reach the spicy pillow stage?
I think before, but there’s a trick for spicy pillow just poke a vent hole, trust me I was in IT for 6 years ;p
The trick is to let them apply this heat themselves.
brb chucking my batteries in the oven
it’s a cheap and easy thrill
I hope this article is well peer-reviewed. Otherwise this reads as if some LLM came up with the idea
Otherwise this reads as if
some LLM4chan came up with the ideaRemember kids, updating to iOS 7 enables your phone to charge wirelessly in the microwave.
The “peer” that reviewed it was another LLM.
Well if it was a human it wouldn’t be a peer, would it
Reminds me of the old days of putting my LG G4 in the freezer
Sounds like a horrible idea if not carefully controlled. Perhaps up to 80 degrees in an oil bath could redissolve some of the electrolytes. I guess it could work. Anything above 100 is asking for trouble.
How is the boiling point of water relevant to something that’s made of plastic and metal?
Well the electrolyte solution is water based so exceeding the boiling point will cause pressure buildup inside.
Edit: hmm seems I might be generalizing too much. Not all batteries use water based solutions. My point is that you should avoid a pressure buildup inside the battery due to reaching the solvents’ boiling point.
wha wha what
no, it’s an organic solvent like ethylene carbonate/propylene carbonate + some other stuff, which have a boiling point of 230+°C ( 446°F)
heating up batteries is (mostly) fine (under controlled scenarios with known good batteries, spicy pillows can always happen with bad batches) as long as the plastic holding them together doesn’t melt
you physically CANNOT make a lithium ion battery with water because lithium reacts with water
from the wikipedia page
Lithium reacts vigorously with water to form lithium hydroxide (LiOH) and hydrogen gas. Thus, a non-aqueous electrolyte is typically used, and a sealed container rigidly excludes moisture from the battery pack. The non-aqueous electrolyte is typically a mixture of organic carbonates such as ethylene carbonate and propylene carbonate containing complexes of lithium ions.[45] Ethylene carbonate is essential for making solid electrolyte interphase on the carbon anode,[46] but since it is solid at room temperature, a liquid solvent (such as propylene carbonate or diethyl carbonate) is added.
So you’re saying I SHOULDN’T preheat my toaster oven to 425F???
UH-OH!!!
brb. Gotta put out some fires.
Warning: heating earbuds batteries to over 300F also causes fires
Reading this tells me the author has absolutely 0 idea of how physics work and is nothing but a blogger of consumer grade equipment. People like that should refrain from trying to understand how science or scientists work.
Obviously, physics aren’t done in Fahrenheit.
Had to laugh at your comment. Not that it matters in this case, your ear buds are not going to magically combust at just 150°C
They’ll not combust, I’d hazard a guess that air pods are made from ABS which has a glass transition temperature of 105C, so they will melt.
Dimethyl carbonate boils at 90° so the battery could pop
ABS which has a glass transition temperature of 105C, so they will melt.
Well, they’ll deform. ABS won’t melt at 150°C, it’ll just become soft and flexible. But yes, it’s a bad idea for your earbuds.
this feels like bait
In reality, this doesn’t affect the existing batteries we have, it’s just for future battery technology.
Cue dumbasses tossing their iphones in the toaster oven in 3… 2…
so putting batteries in the fridge wasn’t useful after all, we should put them in the oven
