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i bet none of them would answer the same way if you asked them what a 3rd world country is
No chance that more than a fourth of them realize it’s from the Cold War and originally mean nations that were neither in the sphere of Soviet or American interest. They just think it means poor country with brown people
The Soviets, eastern Europeans, CHYNA, Cuba and North Korea are 2nd world. Odd that they would omit those countries from their rhetoric …
Well, as the Warsaw pact doesn’t exist anymore, there are no second world countries.
The countries still exist … in one form or another
But the alliances don’t, which is where the term came from. If you’re going to get pedantic about it, it’s odd to be so selective.
Yeah, I’m the one being pedantic, gas light much?
I thought it just meant no nuclear weapons
I believe that would exclude Canada, Aus, and NZ which are pretty firmly considered first world.
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Second World was the Soviets. 3rd world was India and other non-aligned.
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I wonder who came up with this nomenclature. Certainly wouldn’t be the ones who chose to call themselves ‘first world’ right?
Glad to see its no longer taken seriously in any sort of academic or intellectual context.
Kind of the point
This one is a lot more explicit, which is not a great sign(as if the rest of everything else right now was)
New? This has been used for decades.
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Depends where you look. I’ve heard it from white nationalists in cesspits like reddit for the past 15 years.
I think your exposure level will come down to whether your demographic is more likely to be on the delivery or receiving end of racism in your region.
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I don’t know if its a common term among white fascists but I can tell you that I have personally seen nonwhite individuals described this way online and even in real life in more backwards parts of North America. This was more than 10 years ago.
Maybe its only becoming mainstream now. But racists have been talking like this for a long time. You may not be the kind of person they target so it would be hard for you to know.
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Sure bro, I hear what you’re saying. I’m just saying that I’ve heard regressive folk refer to groups of people as third worlders since before 2015. Just because you haven’t heard it doesn’t mean it hasn’t been said (especially if its not a phrase that would typically be directed at you with contempt).
“Third world” has been code for poor brown people basically since the designations were first made during the cold war.
Do you mean you’ve never heard the term at all, or just this very specific usage in this very specific instance?
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It means the same thing, there’s just an extra two letters added to the end. Were you shocked every time you first saw a cat with a color you hadn’t seen before, too?
This is a crazy hill to die on
… then don’t stab me repeatedly? I don’t know what you want. I thought I was having a discussion, not getting into armed combat.
They aren’t the same thing. “Third worlder” can be applied to a specific individuals that are from third world countries and, I suspect, will be applied to people not actually from the third world anyway.
Yes, it’s the same thing applied to a specific individual. Generalizing does not make it less offensive.
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“Talking Points Memo” isn’t just a website. The term comes from a Republican strategy to send out a memo to the party explaining what the message is that party leadership wants hammered on public media this week. It includes a list of “talking points” with premade example quotes.
Way back when the Daily Show used to cut together clips of GOP talking heads pivoting to their talking points in interviews, regardless of the question being asked. It was surreal. And the Left never found a way to counter it, which is why they still do it today.
I remember that as far back as early aughts. Why isn’t there a counter? Granted, we’ve known about Fox News being propaganda but nobody seems to do anything about that, either.
because the counter is an actually competent news media free from the control of private interests who would actually push back against the bullshit when it’s being peddled, but Americans didn’t want to support that. They want news to be feckless entertainment, and so it is.
I’m always baffled why ‘journalists’ don’t just repeat “Answer the fucking question” at politicians when they do that. Seems like a pretty simple way to counter it.
Thank you, wanted to make sure someone posted it. And the sad thing is, this is how we got Trump. Boomers ate this shit up from their “local” news…
HateGPT
Like, obviously they all get their marching orders from one place.
But damn. How have they kept a seal on it?
Its obviously refried bullshit, but their ability to stay in lockstep smacks of a state level actor.
but their ability to stay in lockstep smacks of a state level actor.
I guarantee you its a national group like the Heritage Foundation or TPUSA issuing these talking points. Just because the opposition is organized doesn’t mean their foreign backed. That’s just conspiratorial thinking.
I guarantee you its a national group like the Heritage Foundation or TPUSA issuing these talking points.
Thats the right answer. I just don’t get how they’ve kept it from leaking.
That’s just conspiratorial thinking.
It can be both conspiratorial and true.
I think rightwing movements have become victims to a kind of “ideological spear fishing” coming out of Russia for decades.
Rightwing astroturfed podcasters: Russian funded.
European rightwing movements: Russian funded.
Its obvious that right wing movements were coopted decades ago to weaken and collapse western Democracies. So when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and smears shit all over the walls like a duck, maybe its a fucking duck*?
*[ apologies to any ducks whom I might have besmirched comparing them to rw’ers ]
So in the world where spooky Russians didn’t interfere with our politicians, the parties representing the capitalist class would… not do that? This isn’t new. We’ve seen how capitalism led to the rise of fascism as a direct consequence of the needs of the system wayyyyy before Russia got involved in anything.
If you have a good analysis of how systems work, you don’t need to imagine or uncover conspiracy theories to explain that which can already be explained simply through incentives. Whether or not Russia has been meddling is missing the point.
EDIT: Just to explain my frustration a bit better: When people focus on this over the core class issue, at best it’s running cover for capitalists, but at worst it’s playing into the kind of fearmongering that the government uses to manufacture consent for the military industrial complex. The more they can convince us that there are scary enemies out there who want to destroy us, the easier it is for them to justify giving even more money to defense contractors and expanding the scope and authority of the military, intelligence agencies, etc. It’s giving more and more power to the people actually responsible for oppressing us.
Also the US has had a strong right wing movement basically forever. Was the original American Nazi Party in the 30s Russia’s fault?
remember people like poole and loomer, they were being funded by a shady “media” companies with ties to a russian oligarch, i believes also the case with these 3.
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arent republicans technically part of the state?
Republicanism is a political ideology and a personal identity.
Its not a functional part of the state.
they literally control quite a bunch of it though. with that comes budget and tools.
It’s jarringly obvious that they are just told what to say.
Reminds me of propaganda workers in Serbia that sometimes copy their messages along with additional instructions, so you’d see something like “LONG LIVE THE PRESIDENT but change it a bit so that it’s not all the same” in the comments of news platforms.
They are all paid by the same people, Its not that hard to see which side they are on.
Usually given the exact same script too
you mean a prompt to OpenAI api?
Sometimes? But even like 20 years ago when every single ABC/FOX/NBC anchor was literally given a script (teleprompter) the the way down to the local level and they were instructed to adhere to it as rigidly as possible
Edit: I exaggerate slightly, but not as much as you might think
It seems to work. People, all of us, are kind of stupid and when we hear things repeated we remember them. None of us are immune to propaganda.
Repeating something simple, and false, that appeals to emotions is going to have a bigger impact than something longer and complicated.
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Totally agree. It’s super important that we remember that people, all of us, are kind of stupid and when we hear things repeated we remember them. None of us are immune to propaganda.
Repeating something simple, and false, that appeals to emotions is going to have a bigger impact than something longer and complicated.
It’s just you. There’s been a distinct lack of subtlety in right wing propaganda for a long time, going back at least to “this is extremely dangerous to our democracy.”
Seems that if you tank education enough, the lack of subtlety becomes more of a feature. Lots of people who only pick up on loud, repeated, simple messages are still able to vote.
Counter point. Those countries are sending us hot chicks.
so immigrants are only welcome when they’re hot?
And somehow, this is still a more sane immigration policy
Ali G did it
Leave the straw man on the farm bro
The nice thing about being a Russian asset? Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V all day.
lol America may as well be a “third world country”
Why would anyone from a developed country come to the rapidly deteriorating US?
Idiocracy.
I’ve been saying for a while that America is an undeveloping nation.
“But what about the American dream?”
This time in history may well be called the “American Nightmare” assuming we wake up from it.
ban illegal immigration
It is banned, that’s why it’s illegal
If they were intellectually capable of subtlety, they wouldn’t be right-wingers.
What the fuck is this outdated “third world” term?
Switzerland was neutral during the Cold War so are y’all banning the Swiss from immigrating?
Russia is technically 2nd world, so they’re fine?
What is this dumb terminology lmfao.
Okay I think they meant “developing countries”.
But why would someone from a developed region such as the EU immigrate to the US? The only reason why someone would want to come is because their country is already terrible and they want to take a risk, but if you ban them from coming, then you have zero immigration and your country collapses due to insufficient workers. Lol, dumbass politicians.
The term has been hijacked from it’s original meaning, much like irony.
That said, it’s so dumb. The folks from developing countries are much more likely to be on “their side”. People from developing countries tend to be a great deal more religious. While folks from the EU tend to be less religious, and want more “socialist” programs from the government.
But of course they can’t get over their racism to even make any good decisions.
Its the way they refer to poor nonwhite countries.
Developing works too, kind of.
Low income / high income is the most neutral way to frame it.
Plenty of high educated EU citizens migrate to the US for the higher wages though. Then move back home after a decade with a nice nest egg.
Subtlety is for the 2010s. We in the propaganda finger paint by numbers era now (and none of the numbers will be brown!).
except in Germany, brown is coming back big there
