Analysis just leads you further down the incorrect path. The answer is in the title. “Overwhelm” the only answer is we all need to make more content and to share and disseminate it. You see someone commenting against one of these bad faith actors, we need to overwhelm them. We need to get better at having fun while doing it. Inside jokes, memes whatever. Just have fun and make 5 messages for every 1 they attempt. We need to act, not study. By hoping we can study this stuff and figure out how to logically argue against them will only lead to more people disengaging because it’s impossible and not fun.

What if you’re wrong

So let me ask you something. We all know that a big part of shaping public opinion online is simply just being exposed to an opinion repeated over and over again. Like when someone says something and then has multiple rebuttals that are similar. Or like when we read an opinion over and over again that is not contested. Given what you said, how do we make headway in shaping opinions publicly by disengaging and allowing their opinions to freely go uncontested. If online debate is a waste of time, why are the just powerful and richest people investing in shaping it while you tell others to disengage

How about asking why you lose the argument instead of trying to label all this crap.

It’s like you’re watching your 12th “how to build a full stack application” video while they’ve already finished their 2nd project.

End of the day what they use to succeed is effort. We don’t. Look at the answers here telling you it’s pointless to engage. That’s why they succeed online. Those people

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I don’t think that’s what you think it is. Instead of paying multiple individual script writers for the same story across multiple small stations they probably have one script writer whose script gets reused for each station. I bet news stations buy scripts from each other all the time to save money and time. The anchors are not just speaking off the cuff. Someone has to write the script. Why reinvent the wheel. If you have a larger station fully staffed, use those resources and trickle down to the smaller stations who don’t have the resources.

I was speaking to the fact that someone cut that up and implied it’s some secret brainwashing effort. I’m saying anyone can take clips and infer whatever they want to people. It worked on you

That first one, anyone can do. Just like how a real estate agent created a libsotiktok. Those are small instances of what the right are doing. Almost all of it you can do yourself.

What the heritage foundation and others do is not special. Everyone can do it. That’s what makes it so effective. Listen to me, you don’t need to pay millions of dollars in research. Heritage foundation is not on my bridge or putting stickers on my neighbors car or creating Facebook groups or taking over Reddit communities. They nudge things but it’s the people doing it. Heritage foundation steers. But there isn’t anything mystical or impossible to figure out here. But the left have to get on the same page. Coming online every day to read another article and then still waste time commenting and reading other comments is just not going to cut it. We need to call this stuff out as often as possible. The next election is around the corner.

Sorry, you’re right in that case. Heritage foundation does. But the guy driving around my neighborhood with decals and posting online with his multiple “own the libs” groups is not full time. He’s an electrician who’s probably autistic.

The Internet is a massive force multiplier. This is why groups like the heritage foundation works to research how best to utilize it. They don’t focus their people on public protests or half the shit the left does. They utilize that Internet. They take advantage of people who are not full time but are passionate.

Just think for a minute how many people have shown up to protests across the country for the past 10 years. Think of what they could accomplish if they instead created content like this. We need eyes and ears catching this stuff, distilling it down, creating it and then sharing it.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJe5IKDvJsv/

No it isn’t their full time job. That’s making excuses for why they’re more effective. They’re more effective because they had orgs that figured it out while they also had enough social awareness to understand the assignment given to them. Defend your party. Succeed. Create content. Share content.

I think that comment is proving what I’m saying. Every time there’s momentum on the left, it’s not perfect and therefore can’t support it. Without any media being supported there’s no momentum.

If you look in the right, they’re still pissed off about Rosanne. I just saw a YouTube comment yesterday pissed off at John Goodman for being a back stabber. Lots of upvotes and jokes. And that rallying is absent for anything on the left

That can be part of it. But it isn’t the whole reason. They’re engaged. They do strategize and organize much better.

Republican voters are way more engaged than Democrat or progressive voters. Any day of the week.

It’s why they have so much more content, content creators and social media presence. They put in the work. But not just put in the work. They target specific areas that are effective for either changing public opinion or applying pressure to government to get their issue across.

100%

I actually just wrote my thoughts before I saw this comment.

I challenge anyone to go back to the articles shared here on Lemmy when AI was taken off. Compare the headlines to headlines from right wing media towards immigration. It’s uncanny how similar they are, at least to me.

They often deal with some appeal to pathos like

They will take our jobs They threaten our culture They will sexually assault children They will contribute to the rise in crime

But they have to be used.

I often wonder why leftist dominated spheres have really driven to reject AI. Given that were suppose to be more tech dominant. Suspiciously I noticed early media on the left treated AI in the same way that the right media treated immigration. I really believe there was some narrative building through media to introduce a point of contention within the left dominant spheres to reject AI and it’s usefulness

What exactly are you saying here?

And why?

Beautiful, it works. Why not.

AI iS FaSciSt

No you sure as fuck are not 😆

Thanks for making me chuckle