We all share responsibility to take real action to focus our species on solutions to avoid mass suffering and death.
I do take some fairly serious steps towards anticonsumption and reducing my footprint, such as not eating meat. One of the steps I have taken to reduce the environmental damage that I cause is to not have children. This has an additional effect of preventing their suffering and death.
This seems to be perfectly in line with your stated goal.
Your personal choices are your own decision, but I do think it’s admirable for you to claim personal responsibility.
Though, shaming or judging others for wanting to have a family and continue their genetic line is not something I advocate for.
Your small steps to reduce your impact simply aren’t enough. Even if they were bigger than they are, it still doesn’t put you on a pedestal to look down on others for their decisions. You are free to do so, but you won’t get my approval.
We need worldwide change. Vastly reducing animal agriculture and non-essential industry is imperative.
Choosing to not consume meat doesn’t solve the major issue. It doesn’t make even make a small dent and virtue signalling about your choices doesn’t do anything either.
People buy this stuff because it’s usually cheap and readily available. It’s cheap and readily available because there is almost no regulation.
Slowly phasing out factory farming and animal agriculture and replacing it with lab-grown meat is necessary. We also need to explore non-meat protein sources more seriously, the options that exist just suck, they are expensive (besides tofu), and many products contain common allergens, like soy and wheat.
You seem to be going out of your way to respond negatively to someone who is trying to do something. But you seem mistaken in thinking that I’m seeking some sort of approval.
No, I’m more interested in setting an example that others can follow. Are you familiar with the quote “be the change that you want to see”? I don’t tell people not to eat meat. I let my actions speak for me and simply show them that it can be done, and how to do it. This goes for other anticonsumption habits that I practice as well.
Could you please help me figure out protein sources that are non-meat and don’t include wheat or soy? I have trouble digesting large quantities of beans. It’s affecting my health.
And of course I greatly appreciate you. I realize you aren’t seeking approval. I think wanting to ease the suffering of others that exist is also admirable. People like us are attempting to trailblaze a better future and of course it’s worthy of recognition.
Soy, in particular, is my single-biggest source. While wheat is used for some plant-based proteins, I would expect that a wheat sensitivity or allergy has broader implications beyond protein. Since I don’t need to avoid soy, I consume regular tofu. However they do make soy-free tofu from a variety of other sources, such as “pumfu” made from pumpkin seeds. I can’t attest to its taste, however.
In addition to soy, I lean heavily on beans (soy is a bean … so other types of beans) and lentils. Nuts and peanuts are also a good source of protein, but I can only consume limited quantities due to their high fat content which is a digestive issue for me. They do make a de-fatted peanut butter powder that you could probably mix into shakes and such; it has about 50% of calories from protein. Pea protein may be another option, but this might hit upon your limitations on beans and is also a processed food item.
Admittedly, allergies to soy and wheat and restriction on beans does kneecap you a bit. Is the issue with beans the fiber content? I’m just curious if this will spill over into other legumes such as lentils, peanuts, and pea protein.
I’d like to kindly request that you not drag anyone down with you in the process. I respect your right to feel the way you do though, and I wish suicide was more accessible and humane for individuals to explore.
That’s not the outcome I’d want to see. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in your previous comments about people having children being “selfish”.
You are clearly someone who deeply cares about the climate issue, but you are targeting your anger at people who are trying to live normal lives. If you and others in a similar position instead channelled it towards the people who are actively trying to harm the planet, I believe you would have a far chance in seeing the change you want.
As someone who has been in a similar place in the past, therapy can be a very helpful way to reframe things. I wish you all the best.
Humanity needs to die, but good job trying to make this into a rip on capitalism. Gonna toss some genocide in there? Go back to ML
Are you okay? I’m not a Marxist-Leninist or an authoritarian. The personal attacks keep coming, but you aren’t hitting the mark.
Regardless, I’m sorry you feel that way. Check out r/solarpunk or slrpnk.net to see more nuanced discussion on the issues our species faces and what we can do.
Good luck with that sweetie. You’re decades too late to make change. It’s a free-for-all until the end times, while the rich build their bunkers. Look around and wake up.
Sorry for trying to find some purpose in this crappy life in the form of nurturing and caring for another person.
I think my kids will still be able to acknowledge that being born today is still far better than being born in basically any other time during the vast majority of human existence though.
Edit: Showed your comment to my daughter and she said “I’m happy to be alive, thanks very much”
Existence is accompanied by suffering, yes. If you can’t accept that, that’s on you. If you wish for all life to cease because of your views, then you’re the selfish one here.
Lol I accept that. although you seem to ignore it for your selfish reasons. My will is not important. I’m merely pointing the fact that your actions increase suffering for your own personal gain. Do with it what you will.
Edit - I’d also add that for many many poor creatures including humans, existence is not accompanied by suffering, but it is only suffering. You are delusional if you think you have the power to save your poor child from it
The vast majority of people (including yourself) seem to think that the suffering is worth putting up with for some strange reason though…
If life was nothing more than suffering then I don’t think nearly as many people would have children. Fortunately many of us are able to get enough out of life to see it as being worthwhile. I’m sorry that’s not the case for you.
You contradict yourself and make incorrect assumptions. My entire argument is to make the point that the suffering does not justify it. The majority does not hold my opinion. But I do agree it is stange to think it is justified.
I never said life is only suffering for everyone. Read my comments again. Also, my life is pretty good, I’m not complaining for myself, but for other voiceless souls. Are you able to see the world from a different point of view than your own? How the experience is like for others? From what you wrote I sincerely doubt that.
It is worthwhile for who? And who gets to decide? And can you guarantee your children it will be worth while? Can you guarantee it for all living creatures?
It easy to talk when your life is full of privilege
Reproducing without control just cause you need purpose is morally wrong. Same as murdering someone for pleasure.
Enjoy you existence, hope you can live with the suffering you are causing and apathetic to. 🩷
Well, you say that now but the water wars have already started, and your kids won’t qualify to emigrate. You should educate them of survival skills and firearms.
We can mitigate the looming water crisis by spreading awareness, not by encouraging people to choose or equip themselves for violence. Do your part.
Regulation of industrial/animal agriculture water usage, restoration of our environments so they are able to retain water, respecting aquifer replenishment rates, exploring water capture technologies, desalination, and water pipelines are all things that are in our power. We can also move some agriculture indoors into vertical farms and use wastewater recirculation.
If we are faced with people literally dying of thirst and not being able to grow food, or having to deal with the byproducts of desalination - the latter is always preferable.
If we utilized the products of desalination and put it towards energy storage, vertical farms could be scaled sustainably and powered solely by renewables/solar. Energy storage with non-rare earth materials is groundbreaking.
This gives us some breathing room to stop inputting wasteful amounts of water into agriculture and deal with our topsoil. Vertical farms don’t necessarily need water input like typical agriculture and solar panels are cheap to make. This also mitigates the climate’s effect on agriculture and yields.
If we pooled our resources into finishing that technology
If we could all just get together and do <whatever thing>, we’d be able to do it! I’ve found that relying on other people most often ends in disappointment. I know that’s cynical, but it’s also not inaccurate.
Well, as it stands the vast majority of the world is coerced or propagandized into consenting to governments and regulators for them to do nothing and let disaster manifest. They are mostly all blissfully unaware.
Give it a couple years of Trump’s reign to see how people react to somebody taking away their rights before you completely give into cynicism and close yourself to the possibility of garnering hope.
Doesn’t change the fact that we can scale those vertical farms tomorrow and power them however the fuck we’d like to (in the short-term) to mitigate disaster.
You aren’t selfish for having kids and doing your best to nurture them. We all share collective responsibility to take action for the issues our species face.
Some people think they can absolve themselves of responsibility and simply vote all the problems away, but the people they are voting in barely have the energy to acknowledge or even address the issues, let alone work towards actual solutions.
I don’t think that people having kids are selfish either. It’s just one of those things you see so often regarding the issue of climate change. The people espousing that view are simply using it as an easy out to absolve themselves of any responsibility in my opinion.
Educating and preparing younger generations to address the issues they will face is unfortunately the most likely way to resolve such issues, and I’ve chosen to take that challenge upon myself despite how difficult and costly it is to raise children now compared to when my parents had me.
You’d be horrible person to have them. Selfish.
Selfish is having kids to fill narcissistic tendentcies and then bitching and moaning about how other people are unwilling to raise them for you.
I addition, yes.
Is it not selfish to throw your hands up and give up because governments are choosing inaction and corporations are out of control?
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I’m a childless (for life) gay person and I’m not a Christian. Nice personal attack, though.
We all share responsibility to take real action to focus our species on solutions to avoid mass suffering and death.
I do take some fairly serious steps towards anticonsumption and reducing my footprint, such as not eating meat. One of the steps I have taken to reduce the environmental damage that I cause is to not have children. This has an additional effect of preventing their suffering and death.
This seems to be perfectly in line with your stated goal.
Your personal choices are your own decision, but I do think it’s admirable for you to claim personal responsibility.
Though, shaming or judging others for wanting to have a family and continue their genetic line is not something I advocate for.
Your small steps to reduce your impact simply aren’t enough. Even if they were bigger than they are, it still doesn’t put you on a pedestal to look down on others for their decisions. You are free to do so, but you won’t get my approval.
We need worldwide change. Vastly reducing animal agriculture and non-essential industry is imperative.
Choosing to not consume meat doesn’t solve the major issue. It doesn’t make even make a small dent and virtue signalling about your choices doesn’t do anything either.
People buy this stuff because it’s usually cheap and readily available. It’s cheap and readily available because there is almost no regulation.
Slowly phasing out factory farming and animal agriculture and replacing it with lab-grown meat is necessary. We also need to explore non-meat protein sources more seriously, the options that exist just suck, they are expensive (besides tofu), and many products contain common allergens, like soy and wheat.
You seem to be going out of your way to respond negatively to someone who is trying to do something. But you seem mistaken in thinking that I’m seeking some sort of approval.
No, I’m more interested in setting an example that others can follow. Are you familiar with the quote “be the change that you want to see”? I don’t tell people not to eat meat. I let my actions speak for me and simply show them that it can be done, and how to do it. This goes for other anticonsumption habits that I practice as well.
Could you please help me figure out protein sources that are non-meat and don’t include wheat or soy? I have trouble digesting large quantities of beans. It’s affecting my health.
And of course I greatly appreciate you. I realize you aren’t seeking approval. I think wanting to ease the suffering of others that exist is also admirable. People like us are attempting to trailblaze a better future and of course it’s worthy of recognition.
Soy, in particular, is my single-biggest source. While wheat is used for some plant-based proteins, I would expect that a wheat sensitivity or allergy has broader implications beyond protein. Since I don’t need to avoid soy, I consume regular tofu. However they do make soy-free tofu from a variety of other sources, such as “pumfu” made from pumpkin seeds. I can’t attest to its taste, however.
In addition to soy, I lean heavily on beans (soy is a bean … so other types of beans) and lentils. Nuts and peanuts are also a good source of protein, but I can only consume limited quantities due to their high fat content which is a digestive issue for me. They do make a de-fatted peanut butter powder that you could probably mix into shakes and such; it has about 50% of calories from protein. Pea protein may be another option, but this might hit upon your limitations on beans and is also a processed food item.
Admittedly, allergies to soy and wheat and restriction on beans does kneecap you a bit. Is the issue with beans the fiber content? I’m just curious if this will spill over into other legumes such as lentils, peanuts, and pea protein.
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If that’s truly your view, then your continued existence is both selfish and hypocritical
Hey buddy, if it was easier to push the power button I would.
I’d like to kindly request that you not drag anyone down with you in the process. I respect your right to feel the way you do though, and I wish suicide was more accessible and humane for individuals to explore.
Hey pal, how about you stop browsing my shit and commenting on everything I comment on. That’s stalking, and breaking a few rules.
That’s not the outcome I’d want to see. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in your previous comments about people having children being “selfish”.
You are clearly someone who deeply cares about the climate issue, but you are targeting your anger at people who are trying to live normal lives. If you and others in a similar position instead channelled it towards the people who are actively trying to harm the planet, I believe you would have a far chance in seeing the change you want.
As someone who has been in a similar place in the past, therapy can be a very helpful way to reframe things. I wish you all the best.
Oh baby, this is me after therapy. I decided to stick around and watch y’all burn alive as you talk about “awareness” and “normal lives.”
Thoughts and prayers 💋
Are you okay? I’m not a Marxist-Leninist or an authoritarian. The personal attacks keep coming, but you aren’t hitting the mark.
Regardless, I’m sorry you feel that way. Check out r/solarpunk or slrpnk.net to see more nuanced discussion on the issues our species faces and what we can do.
Hey, you’re the one who said not having kids is giving up. Weirdo.
Go back to Reddit
I did not, re-read:
I meant spreading awareness and taking action on any scale you are able. We all have a responsibility to do so.
Good luck with that sweetie. You’re decades too late to make change. It’s a free-for-all until the end times, while the rich build their bunkers. Look around and wake up.
Hypocrite
Sorry for trying to find some purpose in this crappy life in the form of nurturing and caring for another person.
I think my kids will still be able to acknowledge that being born today is still far better than being born in basically any other time during the vast majority of human existence though.
Edit: Showed your comment to my daughter and she said “I’m happy to be alive, thanks very much”
I find purpose in helping those who already exist, in the service of preventing suffering.
That’s great, I do that too
Your kids needs to suffer for you idiotic so called purpose. Get a hobby next time, go volunteer instead of dragging other souls down with you
Shame that your parents didn’t feel that way.
True. But I managed to have purpose without dragging other souls down with me. Thank you for your kind words 🩷
Point me to a time in the past when there was no suffering please.
Around 4.5 billion years ago, at least on earth. The existence of suffering and its universality are good reasons for you to perpetuate it?
Existence is accompanied by suffering, yes. If you can’t accept that, that’s on you. If you wish for all life to cease because of your views, then you’re the selfish one here.
Lol I accept that. although you seem to ignore it for your selfish reasons. My will is not important. I’m merely pointing the fact that your actions increase suffering for your own personal gain. Do with it what you will.
Edit - I’d also add that for many many poor creatures including humans, existence is not accompanied by suffering, but it is only suffering. You are delusional if you think you have the power to save your poor child from it
The vast majority of people (including yourself) seem to think that the suffering is worth putting up with for some strange reason though…
If life was nothing more than suffering then I don’t think nearly as many people would have children. Fortunately many of us are able to get enough out of life to see it as being worthwhile. I’m sorry that’s not the case for you.
You contradict yourself and make incorrect assumptions. My entire argument is to make the point that the suffering does not justify it. The majority does not hold my opinion. But I do agree it is stange to think it is justified.
I never said life is only suffering for everyone. Read my comments again. Also, my life is pretty good, I’m not complaining for myself, but for other voiceless souls. Are you able to see the world from a different point of view than your own? How the experience is like for others? From what you wrote I sincerely doubt that.
It is worthwhile for who? And who gets to decide? And can you guarantee your children it will be worth while? Can you guarantee it for all living creatures? It easy to talk when your life is full of privilege
Reproducing without control just cause you need purpose is morally wrong. Same as murdering someone for pleasure.
Enjoy you existence, hope you can live with the suffering you are causing and apathetic to. 🩷
Well, you say that now but the water wars have already started, and your kids won’t qualify to emigrate. You should educate them of survival skills and firearms.
We can mitigate the looming water crisis by spreading awareness, not by encouraging people to choose or equip themselves for violence. Do your part.
Regulation of industrial/animal agriculture water usage, restoration of our environments so they are able to retain water, respecting aquifer replenishment rates, exploring water capture technologies, desalination, and water pipelines are all things that are in our power. We can also move some agriculture indoors into vertical farms and use wastewater recirculation.
If we are faced with people literally dying of thirst and not being able to grow food, or having to deal with the byproducts of desalination - the latter is always preferable.
I’m cracking up. More awareness. Fuck off with your thoughts and prayers, darling, the time for awareness was in the mid ‘90s.
You’re very late to the party.
Well, as it stands, we have more solutions and technology on the table than ever before.
Like the recent breakthrough: sodium-ion batteries. Or proton batteries.
If we utilized the products of desalination and put it towards energy storage, vertical farms could be scaled sustainably and powered solely by renewables/solar. Energy storage with non-rare earth materials is groundbreaking.
This gives us some breathing room to stop inputting wasteful amounts of water into agriculture and deal with our topsoil. Vertical farms don’t necessarily need water input like typical agriculture and solar panels are cheap to make. This also mitigates the climate’s effect on agriculture and yields.
If we could all just get together and do <whatever thing>, we’d be able to do it! I’ve found that relying on other people most often ends in disappointment. I know that’s cynical, but it’s also not inaccurate.
Yeah, don’t be so cynical, endlessnightmare.
Well, as it stands the vast majority of the world is coerced or propagandized into consenting to governments and regulators for them to do nothing and let disaster manifest. They are mostly all blissfully unaware.
Give it a couple years of Trump’s reign to see how people react to somebody taking away their rights before you completely give into cynicism and close yourself to the possibility of garnering hope.
There’s a new battery article every month.
Doesn’t change the fact that we can scale those vertical farms tomorrow and power them however the fuck we’d like to (in the short-term) to mitigate disaster.
Too late kiddo. Go back to Reddit. Report some more comments because you feel offended I don’t agree with you.
The US is not the entire world thankfully.
The water wars aren’t in the US.
Never heard of the Colorado River, huh?
There is no war… yet.
You aren’t selfish for having kids and doing your best to nurture them. We all share collective responsibility to take action for the issues our species face.
Some people think they can absolve themselves of responsibility and simply vote all the problems away, but the people they are voting in barely have the energy to acknowledge or even address the issues, let alone work towards actual solutions.
I don’t think that people having kids are selfish either. It’s just one of those things you see so often regarding the issue of climate change. The people espousing that view are simply using it as an easy out to absolve themselves of any responsibility in my opinion.
Educating and preparing younger generations to address the issues they will face is unfortunately the most likely way to resolve such issues, and I’ve chosen to take that challenge upon myself despite how difficult and costly it is to raise children now compared to when my parents had me.
These people just have no hope. They have given up on humanity. They are preparing themselves for the worst.
We can choose differently. We can look to what is in our power to mitigate suffering. We can raise awareness and take direct action.